Eruch discusses the importance of listening to the words of saints, as emphasized by Attar in his book “Memorial of the Saints.” Attar believed that the sayings of saints are beneficial even to those who cannot practice them, as they strengthen aspiration and destroy self-conceit. He also translated the sayings from Arabic to Persian to make them accessible to all. Attar, a Sufi enthusiast, aimed to popularize Sufi literature to counteract the decline of true spiritualists. The discussion highlights the transformative power of Sufi teachings, exemplified by a story of a king recognizing the greatness of a seemingly mad man who emulated a dog’s loyalty. The conversation also touches on the profound impact of reading about Perfect Masters, evoking tears and a sense of inner joy.

The only difference between Baba and us is that Baba knows who He is, while we are unaware of our true selves. Baba compares us to bubbles on the ocean, with the bubble representing our individuality created by the mind and its impressions. When the bubble bursts, we return to our true state as part of the ocean, or the divine.

A discussion about Meher Baba’s life and work ensues, highlighting His tireless dedication and the impact He had on those around Him. The conversation touches on Baba’s ability to accomplish seemingly impossible tasks and His emphasis on the importance of His work over His physical presence. The concept of “giving in” is explored, with Eruch explaining it as a way to understand and appease others, even when their desires may not be beneficial.

Eruch recounts a story illustrating that while words can describe the concept of marriage, true understanding comes from experiencing it firsthand. Similarly, God cannot be fully understood through words or discussions; God must be lived and experienced. Despite this, the stories and teachings about God serve to increase one’s longing and desire for the truth. Meher Baba, God in human form, asked His followers to define God. He rejected all their answers, stating that God cannot be defined, and the only answer is “What is not God?” Baba emphasized the importance of His physical presence, stating that His influence would remain for a hundred years after His passing, urging His followers to make the most of this opportunity.

Eruch explains that God’s will is so powerful that nothing happens without it, even the movement of a leaf. He clarifies that humans do not have true free will, but rather self-will, which is limited and allows them to experience their own limitations and ultimately realize their need for God. Eruch emphasizes the importance of surrendering to God’s will and following Him, rather than trying to make Him follow us.

Meher Baba used the metaphor of a wounded warrior avoiding crushing ants to explain the delay in His silence, allowing humanity time to save themselves. He stated that His glorification will follow His humiliation, and that each individual is responsible for both, through their actions and beliefs. Humanity’s collective actions will eventually lead to His glorification, similar to how Jesus was glorified despite His humiliation.

Juliet asks how to take the experience of being at Meherazad back home. Eruch advises taking the memories of Baba, not the teachings, as Baba will reveal Himself in time. He explains that Baba’s presence is a divine game, a leela, where He hides and reveals Himself through different experiences.

Eruch recounts the story of Todi Singh, a wealthy cream contractor who became devoted to Meher Baba. After a series of dreams, Todi Singh provided food and supplies to Baba’s traveling party, believing Baba commanded him to do so. He later opened a free kitchen for travelers, spending his wealth in service to Baba, and died a pauper.

Eruch discusses the nature of Baba’s future messages, emphasizing that the truth remains constant but is expressed differently based on humanity’s evolving consciousness. He explains that while the gross consciousness of humanity persists, the perception of it can become more refined. Eruch also illustrates the difference between a lover of God and a yogi, using the example of a mast who can instantly elevate someone’s consciousness with a slap.

Eruch recounts a story about Baba’s promise to reveal His divinity to His followers after His passing. While tending to Baba’s frail body, Eruch expressed frustration at the pilgrims’ focus on Baba’s physical form. Baba assured Eruch that through the pilgrims’ genuine longing to know about His person, His divinity would be revealed to them, a promise fulfilled as pilgrims inquired about Baba’s daily life and habits. A man arrived at Meher Baba’s place, claiming Paramahansa Yogananda instructed him to go there. He had never heard of Meher Baba and was unaware he had passed away. Despite this, he traveled to India, seeking those who knew Meher Baba to learn about him.

Eruch recounts a conversation with Baba, who emphasized that finding God is not about searching for something lost, but about losing oneself. Baba believed that people should focus on shedding their egos and false selves to reveal their true nature, rather than seeking external validation or knowledge. He encouraged surrender and remembrance of the divine to gradually wear away one’s false impressions and become one with the divine.