September 18, 1974
“God Speaks” Study Group
Meher Baba Centre
Ahmednagar, MS
India
TRANSCRIPTION INSTRUCTIONS
A.) Find the BOLDED title below to select and click to open the pdf transcript.
B.) On the right side of this webpage (below for mobile), select and play the talk with the same title.
C.) Read along as you listen to Adi’s talk.
Note: Only BOLDED titles have transcriptions.
2. Beyond the Beyond State of God-Part 1
3. Beyond the Beyond State of God-Part 2
4. Mistaking Shadows for Reality
5. The Divine Paradox-Everything & Nothing
6. The Drop Forgets It Was the Ocean
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The soul, initially in a state of infinite knowledge and bliss, becomes conscious and experiences itself as different forms throughout evolution, from stone to human. This identification with various bodies, driven by sanskaras (impressions), hinders the soul from realizing its true self as God. The ultimate goal is to transcend all bodies and sanskaras, achieving full consciousness and self-realization.
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The Beyond the Beyond state of God, or Paratpar Parabrahma, is the original state of “God-Is,” characterized by unbounded absolute vacuum and the absence of consciousness or joy. While yogis may achieve a temporary state of mindlessness through practices, this does not address the root cause of sanskaras and requires repeated cycles of rebirth. In contrast, the Avatar, through love, addresses the root cause of sanskaras, leading to permanent spiritual advancement.
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The Beyond Beyond state of God is a state of absolute vacuum, where nothing exists, not even consciousness or unconsciousness. It is a state beyond the Beyond state, which came into existence after a “whim” arose, a wave on the ocean of divinity that asked, “Who am I?” This distinction helps us understand the unique nature of the Beyond Beyond state, which existed before the whim arose.
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The gross body and the gross world are shadows of the individual soul and the Over-Soul God, respectively. While these experiences are perceived as real, they are ultimately false, like a dream. When one awakens to the true nature of existence, they will realize that all experiences, including birth, death, virtue, and vice, are merely shadows and dreams.
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In the God-Is state, everything and nothing are not diametrically opposed, but rather, nothing is latent within everything. God’s nature, which is infinitude, is latent within God and expressed itself when the occasion arose. This nature, which is nothing, is the source of all existence, including consciousness, and is necessary to experience the Beyond Beyond state of God.
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The atma (soul) is compared to a drop in the ocean of Paramatma (God), emphasizing their essential oneness despite the illusion of separation. This illusion is created by sanskaras (impressions) that form a bubble around the drop, obscuring its true nature as part of the infinite ocean. The difference between the drop and the ocean is not real but a product of perception and imagination.
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The soul experiences a dual state of existence, constantly associating and disassociating with different forms, due to the weight of sanskaras (impressions). This cycle of birth and death, happiness and misery, virtue and vice, is a result of the soul’s identification with different bodies and the experiences it accumulates. The original cause of this illusion is the primary sanskara, the question “Who am I?” that arose in the Beyond Beyond state.
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The Avatar’s method involves experiencing and living God, rather than intellectualizing or discussing Him. Love is the connection between God and humans, and obedience is the law of love. The Avatar uses His love to destroy sanskaras, but only for those who are deserving and put in effort.
